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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://trishatorrey.com/2009/05/29/sorry-oprah-signing-jenny-mccarthy/comment-page-2/#comment-31745</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry Trisha, but I would have to disagree with you.  First of all, I don&#039;t think Jenny McCarthy claims to be or even pretends to be an EXPERT of anything. It seems that you yourself have labeled her that.

You also have to remember, the training that you talk about, and &quot;lack of evidence&quot; of vaccinations and Autism all come from a medical community that is set in their ways about vaccines.  They will never question whether or not vaccines are necessary because they are taught to do so.  The fact that so many children become Autistic withing 24 hours of getting vaccinations is so compelling that I would have to disagree with the so called &quot;experts&quot; that deny it.

There is BIG money in vaccines.  Could you imagine what would happen to the drug companies if they actually did admit that vaccines are unnecessary?  They are constantly coming up with some new vaccine for this and that.  The first of several hepatitis B shots is given within 12 hours of birth. Hepatitis B is commonly spread by sexual intercourse or blood transfusion, or from mother to newborn during birth. If the mother does not have Hepatitis B, why would the infant need multiple doses of this vaccine?  I don&#039;t think there are any infants out there having sex.  It&#039;s preposterous!

The link you provided to the CDC (which by the way is staffed with medical personnel that all believe in vaccines) shows no information about Thimerisol.  In fact it&#039;s a dead link.   It might have moved within the site, but I did a search on Thimerisol and came up with only 1 hit on the CDC site at this time and it makes no mention of the reduction of Thimerisol in vaccines...

I have checked other sites, Government sites, and they talk about the reduction of Thimerisol, but it has not been completely eliminated.  Specially in influenza vaccines.

http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/07/business/fi-merck7  Page one shows that Merck distributed thimerisol containing infant vaccines until 10/2001 and that “it still is present in most flu shots” On page two of the same article it states, “The Times disclosed a leaked Merck memo from 1991 showing that the company was aware at that time of concerns about thimerosal. In the memo, a former Merck scientist calculated that 6-month-old children who received their shots on schedule could receive a mercury dose up to 87 times higher than the guideline for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish.” 


Regarding your comments on Polio:
During 1962 U.S. Congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of polio increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations -- a 50% increase from 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959-but that the statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.
According to researcher-author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases were eliminated from statistics by health authorities&#039; redefinition of the disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk vaccine was continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at a time when there were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus.

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV (the Polio vaccine), testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.  So your statement, &quot;Today, the only people getting polio are those who have not been vaccinated&quot; is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the ACTUAL INVENTOR OF THE POLIO VACCINE STATES!!!!

In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the US between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the vaccine-and most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated individuals.

You are condemning this woman because she truly believes there is enough evidence to stop using vaccinations and is letting others know that you don&#039;t always have to follow what Doctors tell you, because they are NOT always right.

You compared Jenny to Hitler in your writings (which is an extreme comparison) but I would compare you to the people that believed that the Earth was flat, and that you should not believe otherwise.  Belief in the earth being round would be extremely dangerous because you would fall of the edge of the world and die!

Please don&#039;t bury your head in the sand and instead look at all the data.  And even when you come to a conclusion, keep you mind open to new data.

I myself believe in not vaccinating my children, they are very strong and healthy.  That doesn&#039;t mean that I will not continue to look at the data that both sides of the argument present.


As a parting thought, remember that the anti-vaccine community has nothing to gain but the welfare of others.

Many pro-vaccine groups have a financial interest in the continued use of vaccines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry Trisha, but I would have to disagree with you.  First of all, I don&#8217;t think Jenny McCarthy claims to be or even pretends to be an EXPERT of anything. It seems that you yourself have labeled her that.</p>
<p>You also have to remember, the training that you talk about, and &#8220;lack of evidence&#8221; of vaccinations and Autism all come from a medical community that is set in their ways about vaccines.  They will never question whether or not vaccines are necessary because they are taught to do so.  The fact that so many children become Autistic withing 24 hours of getting vaccinations is so compelling that I would have to disagree with the so called &#8220;experts&#8221; that deny it.</p>
<p>There is BIG money in vaccines.  Could you imagine what would happen to the drug companies if they actually did admit that vaccines are unnecessary?  They are constantly coming up with some new vaccine for this and that.  The first of several hepatitis B shots is given within 12 hours of birth. Hepatitis B is commonly spread by sexual intercourse or blood transfusion, or from mother to newborn during birth. If the mother does not have Hepatitis B, why would the infant need multiple doses of this vaccine?  I don&#8217;t think there are any infants out there having sex.  It&#8217;s preposterous!</p>
<p>The link you provided to the CDC (which by the way is staffed with medical personnel that all believe in vaccines) shows no information about Thimerisol.  In fact it&#8217;s a dead link.   It might have moved within the site, but I did a search on Thimerisol and came up with only 1 hit on the CDC site at this time and it makes no mention of the reduction of Thimerisol in vaccines&#8230;</p>
<p>I have checked other sites, Government sites, and they talk about the reduction of Thimerisol, but it has not been completely eliminated.  Specially in influenza vaccines.</p>
<p><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/07/business/fi-merck7" rel="nofollow">http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/07/business/fi-merck7</a>  Page one shows that Merck distributed thimerisol containing infant vaccines until 10/2001 and that “it still is present in most flu shots” On page two of the same article it states, “The Times disclosed a leaked Merck memo from 1991 showing that the company was aware at that time of concerns about thimerosal. In the memo, a former Merck scientist calculated that 6-month-old children who received their shots on schedule could receive a mercury dose up to 87 times higher than the guideline for the maximum daily consumption of mercury from fish.” </p>
<p>Regarding your comments on Polio:<br />
During 1962 U.S. Congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head of the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of polio increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations &#8212; a 50% increase from 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959-but that the statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health Service to give the opposite impression.<br />
According to researcher-author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases were eliminated from statistics by health authorities&#8217; redefinition of the disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk vaccine was continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries at a time when there were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus.</p>
<p>Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV (the Polio vaccine), testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.  So your statement, &#8220;Today, the only people getting polio are those who have not been vaccinated&#8221; is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the ACTUAL INVENTOR OF THE POLIO VACCINE STATES!!!!</p>
<p>In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the US between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the vaccine-and most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated individuals.</p>
<p>You are condemning this woman because she truly believes there is enough evidence to stop using vaccinations and is letting others know that you don&#8217;t always have to follow what Doctors tell you, because they are NOT always right.</p>
<p>You compared Jenny to Hitler in your writings (which is an extreme comparison) but I would compare you to the people that believed that the Earth was flat, and that you should not believe otherwise.  Belief in the earth being round would be extremely dangerous because you would fall of the edge of the world and die!</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t bury your head in the sand and instead look at all the data.  And even when you come to a conclusion, keep you mind open to new data.</p>
<p>I myself believe in not vaccinating my children, they are very strong and healthy.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that I will not continue to look at the data that both sides of the argument present.</p>
<p>As a parting thought, remember that the anti-vaccine community has nothing to gain but the welfare of others.</p>
<p>Many pro-vaccine groups have a financial interest in the continued use of vaccines.</p>
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		<title>By: Trisha Torrey</title>
		<link>http://trishatorrey.com/2009/05/29/sorry-oprah-signing-jenny-mccarthy/comment-page-1/#comment-31726</link>
		<dc:creator>Trisha Torrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill and Melinda,

This is not a question of reading McCarthy&#039;s books or even the question of vaccines.  This is a question of whether someone with NO TRAINING and NO BACKGROUND in healthcare should be given such a public platform to talk about the medical care children need. 

Would you ask your hairdresser to tell you how to cook for your family? Would you ask your auto mechanic how to decorate your house?  Granted, they have both taken care of their own cooking or decorating, but that does not make them experts in telling others how to manage those tasks.

If Jenny McCarthy wants to talk about her own experiences on her own nickel, that&#039;s one thing. But following recommendations she makes for everyone else is just plain dangerous.

And Oprah has lost sight of one of her main missions;  that is, doing well by her viewers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill and Melinda,</p>
<p>This is not a question of reading McCarthy&#8217;s books or even the question of vaccines.  This is a question of whether someone with NO TRAINING and NO BACKGROUND in healthcare should be given such a public platform to talk about the medical care children need. </p>
<p>Would you ask your hairdresser to tell you how to cook for your family? Would you ask your auto mechanic how to decorate your house?  Granted, they have both taken care of their own cooking or decorating, but that does not make them experts in telling others how to manage those tasks.</p>
<p>If Jenny McCarthy wants to talk about her own experiences on her own nickel, that&#8217;s one thing. But following recommendations she makes for everyone else is just plain dangerous.</p>
<p>And Oprah has lost sight of one of her main missions;  that is, doing well by her viewers.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://trishatorrey.com/2009/05/29/sorry-oprah-signing-jenny-mccarthy/comment-page-1/#comment-31725</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are obviously ignorant on the current research of autism and vaccines.  Children now receive 36 vaccinations as if they are all born with the same immune system!!  Have you noticed through the years that as the number of vaccines increase, so does the number of autistic children.  Why is it that so many children are suddenly lost to autism within 24 hours of being vaccinated?  At no other time do we expect all children to be treated the exact same.  Even the &quot;milestones&quot; children are expected to reach span 3-5 months.  Yet, each child is &quot;believed&quot; to have the same immune system and receive the same vaccines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are obviously ignorant on the current research of autism and vaccines.  Children now receive 36 vaccinations as if they are all born with the same immune system!!  Have you noticed through the years that as the number of vaccines increase, so does the number of autistic children.  Why is it that so many children are suddenly lost to autism within 24 hours of being vaccinated?  At no other time do we expect all children to be treated the exact same.  Even the &#8220;milestones&#8221; children are expected to reach span 3-5 months.  Yet, each child is &#8220;believed&#8221; to have the same immune system and receive the same vaccines.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on your article, it doesn&#039;t sound like you&#039;ve read Jenny McCarthy&#039;s books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on your article, it doesn&#8217;t sound like you&#8217;ve read Jenny McCarthy&#8217;s books.</p>
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		<title>By: Wellescent Health Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wellescent Health Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very informative and disturbing article! It is sad to see those who we associate with generally balanced views moving to support those with personal beliefs that are unsupported by facts. On top of it, with the cult of personality associated with celebrities, these people will get far more air time to present their views and the results could be very damaging to modern disease prevention. Sadly, it will probably be hard for some child without inoculation or their parents to sue in the event that the child catches one of the many diseases from which vaccines now protect us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very informative and disturbing article! It is sad to see those who we associate with generally balanced views moving to support those with personal beliefs that are unsupported by facts. On top of it, with the cult of personality associated with celebrities, these people will get far more air time to present their views and the results could be very damaging to modern disease prevention. Sadly, it will probably be hard for some child without inoculation or their parents to sue in the event that the child catches one of the many diseases from which vaccines now protect us.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://trishatorrey.com/2009/05/29/sorry-oprah-signing-jenny-mccarthy/comment-page-1/#comment-31632</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more, Trisha. If celebrities are going to use their status to promote their personal agenda, they must take responsibility for the information they are giving out.
As a physician, it is my duty to be informed and educated on the human body in health and disease. It is also my responsibility to base my advice and treatment decisions on scientific fact. Sure, there are many things we don&#039;t know, and &quot;facts&quot; as they relate to medicine can change over time, but what Ms. McCarthy is preaching is VERY dangerous. One only has to read &quot;The Great Influenza Epidemic&quot; to recall what can happen with out vaccines. 
People BELIEVE celebrities, more so than their doctors sometimes. While Ms. McCarthy and Oprah are entitled to their opinions, they also need to take responsibility for the &quot;advice&quot; they give. 
I hope you have malpractice insurance, Ms. McCarthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more, Trisha. If celebrities are going to use their status to promote their personal agenda, they must take responsibility for the information they are giving out.<br />
As a physician, it is my duty to be informed and educated on the human body in health and disease. It is also my responsibility to base my advice and treatment decisions on scientific fact. Sure, there are many things we don&#8217;t know, and &#8220;facts&#8221; as they relate to medicine can change over time, but what Ms. McCarthy is preaching is VERY dangerous. One only has to read &#8220;The Great Influenza Epidemic&#8221; to recall what can happen with out vaccines.<br />
People BELIEVE celebrities, more so than their doctors sometimes. While Ms. McCarthy and Oprah are entitled to their opinions, they also need to take responsibility for the &#8220;advice&#8221; they give.<br />
I hope you have malpractice insurance, Ms. McCarthy.</p>
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